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Yawgmoth · May 22, 2008, 12:45 PM // 12:45

/not signed

what a terrrrible suggestion.

Not only it wouldn't accomplish anything - people would find lots of ways around it - but it would make only the trader NPC profit more, sinking more cash from ecomony. Just making things harder for most players, not only traders.

This crappy suggestion would hurt farmers even more than traders, making them have to sell straight to trader npc.

And most importantly -- there's NO problem with trading, except the lack of a centralized trading solution (marketplace or auction house).

Targren · May 22, 2008, 02:20 PM // 14:20

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Originally Posted by Proff

That's about all I can agree with, some people farm and are happy with the 15k/h they get, others think a little and earn 100k/h. No one is stopping you from trading, you're choosing not to and are trying to stop those that already trade.

Let's be fair. There's more than just "thinking a little" involved in being a successful powertrader. It takes a certain... let's call it "moral flexibility" to buy an Eternal Blade from someone selling it for 20k to resell it for 100k or whatever, rather than sending the guy a whisper and saying "Dude, that thing is worth way more than that"

quickmonty · May 22, 2008, 02:31 PM // 14:31

Trading? I play the game to have fun: doing missions and quests and such. Trading doesn't bother me one way or the other.

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Originally Posted by Megadeth the monk

Guild wars is about going off on a grand adventure with friends and ally's to get better and better. This is getting ruined by traders.

How so? Just play the game and ignore the traders.

Tosha · May 22, 2008, 02:40 PM // 14:40

There is not a single reason for wanting rare items, except for bragging rights and good looks. If you can just get over your jealousy and play the game, the world would be a nicer place.

N1ghtstalker · May 22, 2008, 02:44 PM // 14:44

lol what?
if people don't trade then i wouldn't have my dread mask atm
trading is good k?

MithranArkanere · May 22, 2008, 02:54 PM // 14:54

What we need to 'fix' trading are two simple things things:

- Better removal of items from the market. That includes:
* Better customization, so it becomes and option for caster weapons, and customization for things like shields and foci. So they get removed from market too.
* Item unlock like hats are, so people don't have storage problems and spend more cash getting materials too to get them. Miniatures that have limited sources (like those that are acquired only in giveaways) would have limited ones, and they would be deleted upon dedication, or hen unlocking them for the account, so they get destroyed and new room is made for them.
If we remove items from the market, space is made for new ones, and people may buy the new items, instead of just making items move around, decreasing in value the more new ones appear.

- Better market system, a fast one anyone can enter in-game. So people don't have to waste time selling.

A healthy market is one with a lot of transactions. A fast one.
Not one with few high-monetary transactions.
For the 'ecomoney', 1,000,000 trades of 1000 gold are better than 1000 trades of 1,000,000 gold.

References: "Ecomoney", see Idiocracy.

Darkobra · May 22, 2008, 02:57 PM // 14:57

And what are they supposed to get with all those ectos that they may get faster than me? SLIGHTLY different armour with the same max stats?

Trading hasn't made the game worse at all. It's the same game. You need about as much money in this as you did in Diablo 2.

~ Dan ~ · May 22, 2008, 03:08 PM // 15:08

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Originally Posted by Megadeth the monk

Now, somepeople may think im an idiot for saying this or that im completely wrong

I think that.

/notsigned, that idea is ridiculous & flawed. We could all switch to lockpicks for trade currency.

fowlero · May 22, 2008, 03:18 PM // 15:18

Any odd tool can copy paste a farming build and use it.

It actually takes time and a lot of effort to become good at powertrading to get the numbers you're talking about, unless of course you get insanely lucky.

So yeah, no.

Karel · May 22, 2008, 03:58 PM // 15:58

Untradable materials?

How is someone supposed to pay for something big then?

pumpkin pie · May 22, 2008, 05:41 PM // 17:41

This could possible lead to a non-grinding state

How to achieve that:
1) remove all high end crafting materials, all armors are made with simple materials (the normal cheap ones)

This will lead to the question of how to make high end armor:
simple, complete quests and missions. we have 5 armor pieces, each piece requires you to complete a mission or quests and at the end of the mission an npc will "elitisied" your armor for you (remember how armor are being infused?)

This will "physically, in the pixel sense" change the outlook of your armor to an "elite" looking ones instead of just changing the name of the armor piece.

Just to promote pugging, you have to go with real life player or the npc will ignore you. (please remember I hate pugging :P~)

well just a thought. but i guess people love to grind.

t00115577 · May 22, 2008, 05:56 PM // 17:56

@ the OP, pls quit QQ cause you cant make money

/notsigned

Malice Black · May 22, 2008, 06:06 PM // 18:06

Play more, whine less, and you might have some cash.

Jetdoc · May 22, 2008, 06:07 PM // 18:07

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Originally Posted by ~ Dan ~

We could all switch to lockpicks for trade currency.

Or any of a series of other items. Ectos (or other rare materials) are used because they are harder to get and hold their value relatively well.

If rare materials were removed from trade, you'd see people using:

1. Lockpicks.
2. Dyes.
3. Runes/Insignia.
4. Highly-demanded weapon components.
5. Minipets.
6. Consumables.

I could go on and on. Just because you shut off one valve doesn't mean that the high-end trading market would go away. People are innovative.

Steboy93 · May 22, 2008, 06:28 PM // 18:28

This is quite possibly the worst post ever.

HawkofStorms · May 22, 2008, 06:47 PM // 18:47

Clearly, the trader did more work then the farmer.

Any idiot can farm after pulling a build from PvXwiki. Heck, automated bots can farm. Power trading requires a ton of patience and extensive knowledge of the game, economics, and about human pyschology (knowing that a new minipet is being released for Canthan New Years is one thing; knowning how a large group of people is going to react to that in order to make profit is another). For every hour a bot or a power farmer repetitivly kills, a power trader has to spend two hours reading forums and staying informed about the community in order to make informed trades. Power trading requires vigiliance and a certain amount of expertise that not everybody can have.

Targren · May 22, 2008, 08:48 PM // 20:48

I just got a mental image of a cold war between the farmers and the Power Traders...

The farmers decide to start dumping all of thier ectos, runes, etc... into the NPC traders, making slightly less, but causing their values to tank, so that the PT with 12 stacks of ectos takes a swan-dive off of the shiverpeaks.

Sure, recovery would come as a new currency is chosen, but the potential losses are staggering.

Of course, that would mean farmers would have to let go of their greed too, so it's never gonna happen. Makes for a nifty "What-if" style thought though.

ShadowsRequiem · May 22, 2008, 09:12 PM // 21:12

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Originally Posted by Steboy93

This is quite possibly the worst post ever.

Hey,

thats my line -.-

Dooglash Sontoosh · May 22, 2008, 10:42 PM // 22:42

Imo, this topic is as good as done, also, the op hasn't even replied in like 20 posts, so I think he was thrashed pretty bad. But I would like to see lockpicks used for power trading. ROFLMAO.

Hyper Cutter · May 23, 2008, 12:15 AM // 00:15

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Originally Posted by Koricen

This would solve nothing. People would just use different items as currency. What if you like to play in the UW? Not to farms of course, god forbid, but because you like those big adventures with your friend. You get an ecto drop, but have no use for it. What do you do? Well, can't sell it or give it to a friend even if they needed it, guess you have to sell it to the trader for a pitiful amount.

ectos would still fetch a decent price if they weren't used as super-currency, since you still need them for armor (look at shards)